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Alltid Hattrick to close down (http://alltid.org/alltid-hattrick-to-close-down) HT-Weird_ed (http://alltid.org/user/HT-Weird_ed) | 2011-11-27 23:08:42 On December 1st, the Alltid statistics site will be taken down as an independent site. The legacy of Alltid will live on as a more limited statistics service within the Hattrick site.
Our original idea was to build on Alltid to create a separate but tightly integrated statistical resource for Hattrick. It is now three years since this project started, and it is clear that these ambitions was set too high. While the existing Alltid site became harder and harder to maintain, it became clear that to build a replica of it in the same environment as Hattrick would simply become too large and risky a project. The way Alltid works, saving all data in separate indexes, makes the database similar in size to the rest of Hattrick, in effect doubling our need for servers, storage and system maintenance. Also, given the huge amounts of data that needs to be shuffled between the “game database” and the statistics site, it is unavoidable that a large and growing Alltid, built in this way, will lead to deadlocks and delays in the game service. At least, creating the service out of Alltid that we know users hoped for and expected, would lock up all or development resources for a long time, and even then, we could not be sure that we would reach the goal we aimed for.
Instead, we have decided to go back to building statistics from within our existing Hattrick databases. Almost every piece of data that ever existed in Alltid, already exists in Hattrick. The data that was unique to Alltid, such as weekly form and TSI updates, have now been imported into Hattrick, and is being saved there going forward as well. This means that we will be able to access and build stats based on these data points in the future as well.
What will be different is the sheer amount of data that we will index and present on the site at any point in time. The Alltid perspective is to create all views and indexes first, then display them on a site and let people browse around. In hat trick, we create most star on the fly, in the context where it is needed. This means we have to think more about how performance-heavy each piece of statistic is. We think that overall, this is still a much more sensible way to approach Hattrick statistics in the long run, and we have every intention on extending and deepening the statistics that we are offering on the Hattrick site today. But we will take one step at a time to make sure our stats don’t affect the general performance of the site.
We know this step has been disappointing to many of you. And it has been a letdown for us as well. We know there are new initiatives to provide stats underway in the community, and it is something we encourage and are happy to support. Unfortunately, it is not possible for us to keep this site open. Every season break, a lot of manual hacking has been required to get the new stats up, and we don’t think it is possible to keep this up in the long run. Out of several bad options, we think our chosen course is the best one and we hope that you will understand this.
Signed, HT-Johan (Producer, Hattrick) and Weird_Ed (Creator of Alltid)
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Alltid Hattrick to close down (http://alltid.org/alltid-hattrick-to-close-down) HT-Weird_ed (http://alltid.org/user/HT-Weird_ed) | 2011-11-27 23:08:42 On December 1st, the Alltid statistics site will be taken down as an independent site. The legacy of Alltid will live on as a more limited statistics service within the Hattrick site.
Our original idea was to build on Alltid to create a separate but tightly integrated statistical resource for Hattrick. It is now three years since this project started, and it is clear that these ambitions was set too high. While the existing Alltid site became harder and harder to maintain, it became clear that to build a replica of it in the same environment as Hattrick would simply become too large and risky a project. The way Alltid works, saving all data in separate indexes, makes the database similar in size to the rest of Hattrick, in effect doubling our need for servers, storage and system maintenance. Also, given the huge amounts of data that needs to be shuffled between the “game database” and the statistics site, it is unavoidable that a large and growing Alltid, built in this way, will lead to deadlocks and delays in the game service. At least, creating the service out of Alltid that we know users hoped for and expected, would lock up all or development resources for a long time, and even then, we could not be sure that we would reach the goal we aimed for.
Instead, we have decided to go back to building statistics from within our existing Hattrick databases. Almost every piece of data that ever existed in Alltid, already exists in Hattrick. The data that was unique to Alltid, such as weekly form and TSI updates, have now been imported into Hattrick, and is being saved there going forward as well. This means that we will be able to access and build stats based on these data points in the future as well.
What will be different is the sheer amount of data that we will index and present on the site at any point in time. The Alltid perspective is to create all views and indexes first, then display them on a site and let people browse around. In hat trick, we create most star on the fly, in the context where it is needed. This means we have to think more about how performance-heavy each piece of statistic is. We think that overall, this is still a much more sensible way to approach Hattrick statistics in the long run, and we have every intention on extending and deepening the statistics that we are offering on the Hattrick site today. But we will take one step at a time to make sure our stats don’t affect the general performance of the site.
We know this step has been disappointing to many of you. And it has been a letdown for us as well. We know there are new initiatives to provide stats underway in the community, and it is something we encourage and are happy to support. Unfortunately, it is not possible for us to keep this site open. Every season break, a lot of manual hacking has been required to get the new stats up, and we don’t think it is possible to keep this up in the long run. Out of several bad options, we think our chosen course is the best one and we hope that you will understand this.
Signed, HT-Johan (Producer, Hattrick) and Weird_Ed (Creator of Alltid)
Please let us know what you think about this by adding your comment below.